tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post1298867876076734442..comments2023-10-30T04:16:25.917-04:00Comments on Sentient Developments: Amazing images of lost South American tribeGeorgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13003484633933455827noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-66674175475875108002008-11-14T11:42:00.000-05:002008-11-14T11:42:00.000-05:00I think I'd prefer to have my culture destroyed th...I think I'd prefer to have my culture destroyed than to paint myself black or red to keep the bugs away. No one would prefer to live the life of a pre-bronze age savage. Anyone how disagrees can shut down their computer and do so instead of looking at these folks as 'something else apart from the rest of us'. Advanced civilization happens because people want a better life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-55471195510392662312008-08-23T12:16:00.000-04:002008-08-23T12:16:00.000-04:00Looking at the pictures what strikes me is their o...Looking at the pictures what strikes me is their obvious awareness they are being watched. It almost seems cruel to be doing the "observational flyby". What myths, and thoughts are being created by these flyby's? These acts influence the culture anyway. At that point the step of offering help/medical assistance is a small and, at least, beneficent step. It alters the scenario from airborne stalking/confusion raising to a situation of opening health opportunities.Jennifer Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06153806234112213229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-91989008648298395352008-06-02T13:36:00.000-04:002008-06-02T13:36:00.000-04:00Sir Thom, what are the genuinely matriarchal socie...Sir Thom, what are the genuinely matriarchal societies to which you refer? Many that certain anthropologists initially reported as matriarchal proved to not be so much. <BR/><BR/>Regarding statements like "Furthermore, we have NOTHING to offer them (ethically or otherwise) that they haven't done a fine job of providing for themselves for the last 6,000 years right were they are." I can only presume that davidg is not proposing that the individuals in the society are up to six millenia old, so I suspect davidg views their ethical significance is as a society, not as individuals. Perhaps, per anonymous' curious asseveration that "it is almost certain that they have encountered the 'civilized' world at one point or another, and made the conscious decision that they didn't want to be part of it," those individuals are not interested in what the rest of the world has to offer, but this seems dubious at best. Travelers throughout history have found local people highly willing to trade, and frequently even excited to take on aspects of foreign cultures. The problems have largely occurred once coercion entered the picture, whether direct or indirect. Right now, of course, these people probably do not have any choice between aspects of their own culture and those of any other. The questions are: 1)is it incumbent upon us to provide one? 2) is there any way to do this in a way that won't spiral out of the control of those to whom we intend to offer a choice?Natohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05273666908715766390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-60261910888078862712008-06-01T20:57:00.000-04:002008-06-01T20:57:00.000-04:00I'd like to point out to Athena that while the pri...I'd like to point out to Athena that while the primitive roots of many of the dominant cultures don't treat women well, we have no way of knowing how this culture is organised. There are matriarchal societies, some of them 'primitive' societies that are around today.PhrenicGermalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698108288230383661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-38174765130736844772008-05-31T20:55:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:55:00.000-04:00Werner Herzog made a short documentary lament, of ...Werner Herzog made a short documentary lament, of sorts, about the consequences of a first, then second and so forth contact.<BR/>It's in 3 parts on youtube, part one is <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80kOGZMFtQs" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>cheersGeisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177066094870172056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-53907530485572874992008-05-31T14:39:00.000-04:002008-05-31T14:39:00.000-04:00I think it is almost certain that they have encoun...I think it is almost certain that they have encountered the 'civilized' world at one point or another, and made the conscious decision that they didn't want to be part of it. The same decision has been made by the Mennonite and Amish communities in North America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-16537206014082583452008-05-31T13:44:00.000-04:002008-05-31T13:44:00.000-04:00This is not a zoo.It's the world. It's the wild. ...This is not a zoo.<BR/><BR/>It's the world. It's the wild. It couldn't be more different from a zoo. Animals in zoos are transported from their natural environment into an extremely confined cage, where they are fed processed food and monitored round the clock. If anyone's in a zoo, it's us out here in the "uplifted" world.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, we have NOTHING to offer them (ethically or otherwise) that they haven't done a fine job of providing for themselves for the last 6,000 years right were they are. They aren't about to step into tech jobs and start sipping lattes - no, what's more likely is getting swept up in the sprawling slums of Brazil's cities.<BR/><BR/>It's unbelievably condescending to think that, just because the "modern" world has been kind to you, that it has been/would be kind to everyone. Sure, living in the jungle is hard. But it's a life. They look strong and stood up and defended themselves against invasion. I think that's all the sign we need to keep a wide path clear of their land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-65427582517263752462008-05-31T12:15:00.000-04:002008-05-31T12:15:00.000-04:00Thanks for the head's up, Athena. Links are now fi...Thanks for the head's up, Athena. Links are now fixed.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13003484633933455827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-50463584928603584202008-05-31T11:20:00.000-04:002008-05-31T11:20:00.000-04:00Postscript: Your posted link no longer works. Is ...Postscript: Your posted link no longer works. Is there another way of seeing the All Together Now essay?Athena Andreadishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07650180659001228746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-86739730184588337842008-05-31T11:17:00.000-04:002008-05-31T11:17:00.000-04:00This, indeed, is a dilemma. I agree that there is...This, indeed, is a dilemma. I agree that there is nothing romantic about primitive cultures, especially in the lives of their women. At the same time, the issues of immunity and homogenization are very real. Regarding the former, it is better if first contact is made by people bearing vaccines than loggers or oil prospectors. I'm not sure if there is a remedy for genetic and cultural monoculture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-61230417633169497132008-05-30T22:00:00.000-04:002008-05-30T22:00:00.000-04:00Great post -- I do think all the points you listed...Great post -- I do think all the points you listed are very valid and many people do prefer some kind of cultural zoo for these tribes. If you're interested I have argued the same <A HREF="http://anadder.com/debunking-mystiques-indigenous-people" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>I would say they are doomed as a culture if by culture you mean something unrealistically static. They need not be doomed in a greater sense -- but of course given the history of such things in S America I'm not too optimistic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-29624938830739282008-05-30T21:00:00.000-04:002008-05-30T21:00:00.000-04:00I think the very fact that they have been found me...I think the very fact that they have been found means they are doomed as a culture.Just another technical bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04316152781051161770noreply@blogger.com