<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post110584023519787032..comments</id><updated>2010-07-12T10:25:27.119-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Sentient Developments: Another Technology Review attack on Aubrey de Grey...</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/feeds/110584023519787032/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6753820/110584023519787032/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2005/01/another-technology-review-attack-on.html'/><author><name>George</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13003484633933455827</uri><email>george@sentientdevelopments.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-110585638013259028</id><published>2005-01-16T01:19:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-01-16T01:19:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dear transhumanists, 

Thank you for your posts to...</title><content type='html'>Dear transhumanists, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your posts to the technologyreview.com site. I've &lt;br /&gt;read them all with great interest. You're a passionate group! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me begin by writing: as many of you suggested, we will &lt;br /&gt;invite Aubrey de Grey to reply to Dr. Nuland's article, the leader &lt;br /&gt;"Be Sane about Anti-Aging Science," and my editorial "Against &lt;br /&gt;Transcendence." You can read Mr. de Grey on &lt;br /&gt;www.technologyreview.com early next week. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, when an editor so completely fails to express his &lt;br /&gt;meaning to his readers, he may be tempted to try again. A few &lt;br /&gt;notes to that end. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. I recognize the anger in many of your posts, and apologize if I &lt;br /&gt;have offended any of you. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I called Mr. de Grey a "troll" it was of course a literary &lt;br /&gt;device: a reference to a line earlier in my editorial where I &lt;br /&gt;quoted the writer Bruce Stirling about the paradox that those &lt;br /&gt;who were most intersted in using technology to transcend &lt;br /&gt;human nature often lived circumscribed lives that seemed &lt;br /&gt;anything but transcendent when viewed from the outside. &lt;br /&gt;Stirling says that people who take transcendence seriously "end &lt;br /&gt;up turning into trolls." This is my personal view. However, &lt;br /&gt;neither Dr. Nuland's article, which I commissioned, nor our &lt;br /&gt;leader on anti-aging, which I edited, made this point. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. My list of the ways that Mr. de Grey seemed circumscribed by &lt;br /&gt;his humanity was not intended as an ad hominem attack on de &lt;br /&gt;Grey. An hominem attack seeks to discredit an argument by &lt;br /&gt;attacking the person who makes it. As many of you noted, I did &lt;br /&gt;not seriously grapple with Mr. de Grey's views in my editorial. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is because my editorial was written as an introduction, by &lt;br /&gt;the editor-in-chief, to the print edition of Technology Review. &lt;br /&gt;An exhaustive list of all the reasons why I think de Grey &lt;br /&gt;mistaken in his confidence that human cellular aging can be &lt;br /&gt;reversed would have been redundant. The two other articles on &lt;br /&gt;biogerontology, in addition to a synopsis of a scholarly &lt;br /&gt;publication on the role of mitochondria in the diseases of aging, &lt;br /&gt;expressed all I believe about biogerontology. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those views, in short, are as follows: while I am fascinated by &lt;br /&gt;the study of how and why human tissues age, I think it &lt;br /&gt;exceedingly unlikely that human aging can be "defeated" in any &lt;br /&gt;meaningful sense. All organisms--indeed, all things in &lt;br /&gt;creation--age. I think it possible that we might one day extend &lt;br /&gt;human lifespan significantly, and I am reasonably sure that in &lt;br /&gt;the next 50 years we will "compress the morbidity" of the elderly &lt;br /&gt;to a brief period before death. I have to note that most serious, &lt;br /&gt;working, responsible biogerontologists published regularly by &lt;br /&gt;peer review journals would agree with me--with the possible &lt;br /&gt;exception of Cynthia Kenyon at UCSF, who entertains dramatic &lt;br /&gt;hopes for human life extension, and who has significantly &lt;br /&gt;extended the life span of nemotodes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My editorial was about what it said it was about: it was written &lt;br /&gt;"against transcendence." It was not written about Aubrey de &lt;br /&gt;Grey. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Finally, and I write this with a little trepidation, many of your &lt;br /&gt;posts reveal a degree of misinformation about Mr. de Grey's &lt;br /&gt;accomplishments and publications. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would not accuse Mr. de Grey, whom I have never met, of &lt;br /&gt;being a charlatan. But there is a certain vaguness in the &lt;br /&gt;transhumanist community about his role in the Department of &lt;br /&gt;Genetics at Cambridge University. Mr. de Grey is not an &lt;br /&gt;academic biogerontologist. He is the computer support &lt;br /&gt;for a research team in Cambridge's Genetics Department. His &lt;br /&gt;formal academic background is in computer science. If you &lt;br /&gt;consult Mr. de Grey's publications in a resource like PubMed, &lt;br /&gt;you will see they vary more than glowing profiles of de Grey &lt;br /&gt;sometimes imply. For instance, his contributions to Science and &lt;br /&gt;Biogerontology are commentary and letters. His publications in &lt;br /&gt;Tends in Biotechnology and Annals of the New York Academy of &lt;br /&gt;Sciences were not, strictly speaking, peer reviewed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, Mr de Grey's paper, "A Proposed Refinement of the &lt;br /&gt;Mitochondrial Free Radical Theory of Aging," (de Grey, ADNJ, &lt;br /&gt;BioEssays 19(2) 161-166, 1997) is, I am told, genuinely original, &lt;br /&gt;and he is, obviously, a fascinating, charismatic, and provocative &lt;br /&gt;figure. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My assessment of Aubrey de Grey would be that of the &lt;br /&gt;biogerontologist Jay Olshansky: "I am a big fan of Aubrey. We &lt;br /&gt;need him. I disagree with some of his conclusions, but in science &lt;br /&gt;that's OK. That's what advances the field." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In sorrow and contrition, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jason Pontin &lt;br /&gt;Editor-in-Chief &lt;br /&gt;Technology Review</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6753820/110584023519787032/comments/default/110585638013259028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6753820/110584023519787032/comments/default/110585638013259028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2005/01/another-technology-review-attack-on.html?showComment=1105856340000#c110585638013259028' title=''/><author><name>Jason Pontin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14205067557909580643</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2005/01/another-technology-review-attack-on.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6753820.post-110584023519787032' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6753820/posts/default/110584023519787032' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>